He called it, and now Silver's a pop-culture star
By | Associated Press – 8 hrs ago
NEW YORK (AP) — The other night, Nate Silver got a little taste of what things are going to be like for him, post-Election 2012.
The 34-year-old statistician, unabashed numbers geek, author and creator of the much-read FiveThirtyEight blog
at The New York Times had gone out for a drink with friends on
Manhattan's Lower East Side. But he couldn't stay incognito;
immediately, he says, people sitting at the bar recognized him.
He
was surprised, but probably shouldn't have been. After all, for 24
hours, ever since his election forecasts had proved uncannily successful
— he correctly predicted the presidential winner in all 50 states, and
almost all the Senate races — he'd been hailed as the election's "other
winner," who'd silenced doubters and proved the value of a cool-headed,
math-based approach.
That very night, he'd appeared on Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show"
for the second time in three weeks. "Don't you want to stand up and
say, 'I am Nate Silver, bow down to me!!'" Stewart roared, as the
bespectacled Silver sat and chuckled. His name was trending on Twitter
and he was the subject of a satirical Twitter hashtag, "Drunk Nate
Silver." The Hollywood Reporter said he'd "made statistics sexy again." Many called his story a real-life "Revenge of the Nerds" tale.
And, oh, his new book had soared to No. 2 on Amazon, after he linked to it on Twitter an hour after the first network call for President Barack Obama. ("This is probably a good time to link to my book," he'd tweeted at 12:13 a.m. — the closest he came to gloating.)
Even so, Silver says he wasn't quite prepared for that incident in the bar.
"It's
odd," he said Thursday in a telephone interview from his Brooklyn home.
"Is this going to happen every day, as opposed to once a month? I still
have to get accustomed to this."
Silver,
who uses computer models that he runs on a beat-up laptop at home, is
quick to acknowledge the accomplishments of others using similar
methods. "It's a little strange to become a kind of symbol of a whole
type of analysis," he said. And he noted that similar work was being
done with, for example, weather, all the time. "You have to give those
forecasters way more credit," he said. "Their forecasts have real
life-and-death consequences"
In
politics, too, others have used similar computer models to predict
races. What Silver has done, though, is not only arrive at a formula
that uses aggregated polls and other weighted factors to achieve his
predictions, but to write about them in an accessible and engaging way.
His father, political science professor Brian Silver,
attributes his son's success to a two-pronged drive: "He's driven by a
need to get the answers to a problem, but he also is very concerned with
the narrative, with telling the story," said the elder Silver, who
teaches at Michigan State University.
The
father recalls his son at 2 years old, already revealing himself as a
prodigy with numbers — his mother asked him to count to three, and he
went to 20. By four, he understood negative numbers, and could multiply
in his head.
Needless to say
he was a math whiz, but he also was a debating champion, winning
competitions in high school. "On the debate team, it was OK to be a
geek," Brian Silver explained. Nate then went off to the University of
Chicago, where he earned a degree in economics.
A
few years in consulting followed. It bored him, but it was during those
years that Silver turned his love of baseball into a sophisticated
forecasting system of player performance. That became his new career; he
sold the system to Baseball Prospectus, and wrote a weekly column there
on baseball research.
In
2007, Silver started writing about politics — at first under a
pseudonym, "Poblano." He quickly gained an audience for his forecasts
during the presidential primaries. In March of 2008, he began his
FiveThirtyEight blog, and a few months later revealed his name.
"People had been thinking Poblano was a major pollster," said his father. "He was just a kid with a B.A. in economics."
With
his success in the 2008 race — he got every state right except for
Indiana — Silver was already a big name. In 2009 he was named one of
Time's 100 Most Influential People. In 2010, he licensed his blog to The
New York Times.
But the 2012
election brought a new level of pressure. While Democrats flocked to his
blog and took daily solace in his consistent prediction that Obama
would win — though not by a lot — commentators on the right were
critical, and he was accused of weighting his forecasts too heavily
toward Democrats.
MSNBC host
Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman, called him a "joke."
Silver responded by betting him that Obama would win, a bet that
Scarborough didn't take him up on and that was later criticized by the
Times ombudsman. (That bet was the poker player in him, Silver says now;
he spent a couple years playing serious online poker.)
Much
more disturbing, said Silver, were what he called the homophobic
comments that some resorted to on the Web. "That was a little shocking,"
he said. Added his father: "It got very personal."
But
Silver says he always felt confident in his projections. "I didn't see
any particular reason for the polls to be off the mark," he said.
"Republicans said Democrats were oversampled, but without much
justification. I felt pretty confident personally." Silver predicted
90.9 percent certainty that Obama would win, and forecast him getting
313 electoral college votes; he has 303 without Florida, which is still
counting and could take him to 332.
On
Election Day itself, Silver felt nervous, but only because there was
nothing left to do. Once the early results started coming in, he
relaxed. And then, of course, came vindication. "You know who won the
election tonight? Nate Silver," said Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. Even Bret
Baier on Fox gave credit on air to Silver. On "The Daily Show," Stewart
basically credited Silver with saving the reputation of arithmetic — and
more. "Like, gravity would have been up for grabs," Stewart quipped, if
Silver had been wrong.
There
have been some gripes that Silver doesn't reveal his actual formula. "He
has very carefully explained how he does things," his father answers.
"But he's not giving away his code. He shouldn't be expected to do
that."
Nate Silver does say,
however, that in the future, "Maybe we'll have to be clearer." He also
voices concern that precise forecasting could have the frightening
effect of influencing voter behavior — something that obviously doesn't
happen in areas like weather. "You don't want to influence the same
system you are trying to forecast," he said.
Silver
also says he doesn't necessarily expect the same results forever. "I
know we're going to have some misses sooner or later," he said, adding
that an incorrect forecast on the Senate race in North Dakota is "proof
that we can be wrong — and polls can be wrong." Others have pointed out
that Silver's forecasting is, of course, only as good as the polls he is
using, since he's not a pollster himself.
For now, though, he's trying to enjoy it all as much as he can.
"When
you get into statistical analysis, you don't really expect to achieve
fame," he observed wryly. "Or to become an Internet meme. Or be parodied
by The Onion — or be the subject of a cartoon in The New Yorker. I
guess I'm kind of an outlier there."
What's ahead for Silver? Turns out, forecasting his own future feels much more difficult than forecasting an election.
"It can be a fulltime job, figuring out what your job is going to be," he quipped.
For
now, he has a second book to write, part of a two-book deal. And
FiveThirtyEight is set to remain at the Times until mid-2013. After
that, he doesn't know yet, though he noted, with understatement: "I know
I'll have more opportunities now." But he added: "I'm sure there will
be a FiveThirtyEight forecast in 2016."
For now, he prefers to look at life, and life choices, as a poker player, since he loves the game.
"You
get steely nerves playing poker," he said. "It's part skill and part
luck. You hope you win enough bets to make a living on, right?"
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it feels like if the mindless reds in texas were to finally understand that capitalism is whats fu(king the country up and causing them to lose their jobs then the rest of the states known to contain hillbillys would follow suite and we wouldnt have to worry anymore aboot any bush clones doing any... More
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87users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentMark •
How dare he rely on Arithmetic
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6users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentAnn
Maybe team Romney should have been talking to him instead of Carl Rove and the boys at Fox News
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79users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentChurch •
Living proof that a cool head and reasoning based on solid, identifiable evidence is always more accurate and more useful than emotional reflex.
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3users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down10users disliked this commentTyler
Now a bet I am willing to make with him (and anyone else) is the economy going to completely recover by the end of 4 more years? I am saying no. I think Obama has even adimitted to it haha.
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127users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down3users disliked this commentAg •
It is amazing that in the 21st century, people who believe in math and science are labeled as "nuts" by some very powerful people.
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7users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentRon
DavidG, What are the odds that the republican pollsters were completely wrong? Pretty damned high. As has been mention in prior comments, you have to see Nate Silverman's model to judge his results. BTW, Obama's pollster, who's name I recall, was also dead on. The reason was the repeatedly did... More
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88users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down2users disliked this commentSusie Q •
The genius of America, take a bow Mr. Silver, great job!!
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0users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentTheShadowKnows
@Steven: Mary Chapin Carpenter's "I Feel Lucky". :)
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197users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down8users disliked this commentNotaBene •
After looking into the different polling outfits, I settled on Silver's as the most likely to be accurate. That's why I wasn't at all surprised when the result was declared. Well done, Nate! Wish I'd bet money on your forecasting :-)
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2users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down1users disliked this commentSlick
Little,,,,absentee voteing is the ONLY way to VOTE. Send for it NOW !! You can not wait till the last minute, planing is what its about.
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Epic win for nerds everywhere! Without nerds, no one would be commenting or reading anything here.
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229users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down10users disliked this commentslokipoki •
Both parities could have saved a lot of money if they asked Nate first.
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16users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentKevin
@Joseph And whats coming to us was Sarah Palin NOT in the White House.
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53users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down1users disliked this commentMilkdud •
First time I saw Nate...! Wow, kewl I pictured Nate as being some old dude but he is young and vital..Keep kicking #$%$ Nate,,You da man ! I can count to 20 !
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try ISLAM if you believe their are contradictions
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29users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentNeal •
Facts are facts, this guy called it. I wish more people would deal with facts, like ALL those in politics.
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0users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentAnn
The GOP believe that perception is reality. Unfortunately their perception is not necessarily reality or fact.
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27users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentTheTeacher •
To paraphrase19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881): There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and punditry.
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226users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down17users disliked this commentSarcastro •
Nate Silver proved that mathematics, logic, and reason - applied to objective facts - trounce the wishful thinking of the worthless punditry. If there were any justice in the world, Karl Rove would be licking Nate Silver's boots.
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139users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down9users disliked this commentBeautiful Bride •
Obama, get this guy on the payroll..QUICK!
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70users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down4users disliked this commentPenelope •
Love Nate Silver. Sent a link to his blog to a very agitated Obama voter friend on Nov. 5 to help quiet her nerves. It worked better than a tranquilizer.
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Nate Silver makes math cool once again!
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17users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentPrana •
Nate should be hired to fix our fiscal cliff problems.
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16users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentJuk Sun Yoo •
Fox News called his math "gobbledygook". Pathetic. Of course, not as pathetic as Karl Rove imploding during election night. That was truly pathetic.
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This was the best election prediction in the 6,000 year history of the world!
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37users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down2users disliked this commentCanis lupus •
Great job Nate...
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10users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentMark •
I don't think the election was that much of a surprise. I think the GOP just got caught up in their own propaganda.
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